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zomer
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WOW that is a decent amount of flex track!!! Im right there with ya Darren about that 6-Axle mech........hmmmmmm VR B class .....(goes away to ponder and drool)
OMG My mind boggles at the thought of a T gauge steamer. I think i might go dust off my old microscope now 
At least they wont have any difficulty with operating ICE at scale speed!!!
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rmyers
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| Quote: | Flexible track;
1,060mm flexible rail will be released on January '09. |
Huh? This sounds unlikely to me --
N flex is typically 700 to 900mm length.
Micro-trains Z flex is about 300mm.
Plus, can you imagine what the shipping would be for a package that long from Japan to US or Europe? If you use the current straight price of around $5 for 180mm as a guide, the cost of a bundle and shipping would be astronomical.
A single piece would make a credible loop of track!
Speaking of track price, this seem to me an issue that Einshodo needs to address. I've noticed that scale independent good sectional track runs about $3/ft. This T gauge stuff is running about twice that. Doesn't seem in line with the rest of the pricing to me.
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David K Smith
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| rmyers wrote: | Speaking of track price, this seem to me an issue that Einshodo needs to address. I've noticed that scale independent good sectional track runs about $3/ft. This T gauge stuff is running about twice that. Doesn't seem in line with the rest of the pricing to me.
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Bear in mind the size of the T gauge market. One cannot compare the relative prices of items from different scales. Z scale track is about 50% costlier than N due to the smaller market; it's perfectly understandable that T gauge track costs even more.
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TBA
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Maybe they'll sell flextrack by the roll?
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zomer
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| David K Smith wrote: | | rmyers wrote: | Speaking of track price, this seem to me an issue that Einshodo needs to address. I've noticed that scale independent good sectional track runs about $3/ft. This T gauge stuff is running about twice that. Doesn't seem in line with the rest of the pricing to me.
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Bear in mind the size of the T gauge market. One cannot compare the relative prices of items from different scales. Z scale track is about 50% costlier than N due to the smaller market; it's perfectly understandable that T gauge track costs even more. |
Plus you have to bear in mind that Eishindo are the only manufacturers of T gauge so there is no competition to push the prices down.
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B 67
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I had wondered about the length too. If it flexes easily, it may not be a problem, otherwise one will need to be patient bending it.
It is possible that it is actually to be sold in packs, the total length of which is 1060mm. I shall try to seek clarification.
As for the cost. You can never go by scale. I've found that there is a manufacturer of plastic-sleeper (tie) 5" gauge track in the UK that works out cheaper than LGB track per metre.
And if T-flex appears more expensive (we don't have the prices yet) then just consider how much SCALE length you get compared to the larger scales - such as Z and N.
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rmyers
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| David K Smith wrote: | | rmyers wrote: | Speaking of track price, this seem to me an issue that Einshodo needs to address. I've noticed that scale independent good sectional track runs about $3/ft. This T gauge stuff is running about twice that. Doesn't seem in line with the rest of the pricing to me.
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Bear in mind the size of the T gauge market. One cannot compare the relative prices of items from different scales. Z scale track is about 50% costlier than N due to the smaller market; it's perfectly understandable that T gauge track costs even more. |
Ok, I'll back down some. I'm not a Z scaler, so I've never extended my curve that far. But, trying to compare similarly proportional straights I get this...
BLW's quoted price for Micro-Trains Z is $15.75 for 12 110mm pieces or $3.63 a foot. Kato list for 186mm straights is $7.50 for 4, figuring a 30% street price discount that is $2.15 a foot.
3 60mm straights of T is $4.80 at Plaza Japan, which is over $8 a foot. This, IMO is out of line, even for a single sourced novelty.
Interestingly, the piece count seems to be the biggest price driver. Both MT and Kato want about $1.30 (street) a piece. Einshodo isn't too far out of line with that metric at about $1.60 a piece. When increasing length, Kato only wants 50c more for a pack of 248s, and MT only $4 more (list) for a pack of 220s. Maybe what we need from Einshodo is longer straights.
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David K Smith
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| rmyers wrote: | | David K Smith wrote: | | rmyers wrote: | Speaking of track price, this seem to me an issue that Einshodo needs to address. I've noticed that scale independent good sectional track runs about $3/ft. This T gauge stuff is running about twice that. Doesn't seem in line with the rest of the pricing to me.
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Bear in mind the size of the T gauge market. One cannot compare the relative prices of items from different scales. Z scale track is about 50% costlier than N due to the smaller market; it's perfectly understandable that T gauge track costs even more. |
Ok, I'll back down some. I'm not a Z scaler, so I've never extended my curve that far. But, trying to compare similarly proportional straights I get this...
BLW's quoted price for Micro-Trains Z is $15.75 for 12 110mm pieces or $3.63 a foot. Kato list for 186mm straights is $7.50 for 4, figuring a 30% street price discount that is $2.15 a foot.
3 60mm straights of T is $4.80 at Plaza Japan, which is over $8 a foot. This, IMO is out of line, even for a single sourced novelty.
Interestingly, the piece count seems to be the biggest price driver. Both MT and Kato want about $1.30 (street) a piece. Einshodo isn't too far out of line with that metric at about $1.60 a piece. When increasing length, Kato only wants 50c more for a pack of 248s, and MT only $4 more (list) for a pack of 220s. Maybe what we need from Einshodo is longer straights.
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Might be more helpful, however, to compare price per scale foot instead. Then you'd be comparing apples to apples! I can't imagine many modelers building a 10 x 12 foot around-the-walls T Gauge layout...
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rmyers
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| David K Smith wrote: |
Might be more helpful, however, to compare price per scale foot instead. Then you'd be comparing apples to apples! I can't imagine many modelers building a 10 x 12 foot around-the-walls T Gauge layout... |
Actually comparing apples to apples what I was trying to do. That's why I tried to pick pieces that were roughly the same scale size -- 60mm T, 110 Z, 186 N.
And as for not building a big layout with T, why not? Some people use N to make layouts in a coffee table, some to have the scenery or industries dwarf the trains. I've already seen pictures of folks making train-dwarfing hills.
I'm going to post a note on the intro page introducing myself and explaiing where I'm coming from.
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Toni Babelony
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| David K Smith wrote: | | I can't imagine many modelers building a 10 x 12 foot around-the-walls T Gauge layout... |
Well... That's a bit what I have in mind for my T-Gauge layout. Well, maybe not that big, but still...
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David K Smith
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| rmyers wrote: | | ...as for not building a big layout with T, why not? |
I'm not suggestion anyone shouldn't... I'm just saying that there likely won't be very many--as compared even to those building comparable layouts in Z. Frankly, I'd love to see a nice big fat T Gauge layout--If I had the real estate (and the capital) I'd do just that.
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pray59
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While running T Gauge layouts at the train show last weekend, we had a couple dozen people write down information about T Gauge, and where to get it.
We were really suprised that there were people coming up and calling out to their friends... "Here it is! The T Gauge is over here!)
Yes, people knew what T Gauge was! Call it a fad or whatever, but T Gauge is very populat in the San Francisco Bay Area, ever since we showed it at the San Jose show in September. We also showed it at the NTS in Anaheim in July.
I think it is about time someone stepped up to become a US distributer of T! 
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B 67
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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"Here it is! The T gauge is over here".
You won't get that with people looking for the G or O gauge layouts.
I had some TY scale layouts at an exhibition in 2007. The pair of them took up the space that a HO locomotive takes up in its box. Yes, many didn't notice them, despite the extra lighting on them.
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shashinka
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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KIHA40, man, I'm buying that!
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B 67
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I got an email from KK Eishindo correcting the previous release.
The KIA40 should read KIHA40 as shashinka has realised.
Street Train should read Street Tram - which only confirms what we suspected it meant.
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