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Frank C



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Thoughts on a new scale Reply with quote

I read your initial review of T equipment, and you seemed less than impressed with the performance. Has that changed? Handlaying track seems like a big effort for a poor performer.

Why does it generate interest? Too much ready to run, even in Z scale. Kind of like Daniel Boone felt about Kentucky, eventually. Got to civilized for him, so he went onward looking for another place where he could be a pioneer.

Thank you for the forum, and good luck frontiersman!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's precisely for the reasons you described Frank. There's alot that hasn't been done in Z I'll admit, but far less has been done in T gauge. Right now Robert Ray's NP passenger cars are about the only customization we've seen so far.

For several reasons, I don't see T ever in a million years becoming a "switching" scale. Couplers and size of the rolling stock being the main factors. That said, the same thing was said about N and Z. Regardless, I see T being more of a runner's scale. With a mile equal to 11 feet, long freight drags are a definite possibility. Magnetic wheelsets will help keep them on the rails and ghost cars could be spaced out every 10 or so cars for equal power distribution.

Think of the possibilities... Tehachapi loop on a 4X8 sheet of plywood...

Seriously, T has tremendous potential, and I can see modelers like David Smith and Robert Ray being at the forefront of this new frontier. Some may look on it as a novelty, but I see it as becoming a serious modeling scale, especially over here in North America.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got to see the T-Guage train set in action at a recent JMR lunch meeting, and it ran really well. I hate having to wait for Plaza to ship my two train sets and look forward to seeing how they run out of box on my loops.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, my opinion of performance is improving--as is the product, I believe. Eishindo is listening to customers, and making improvements as they go, which is exactly the kind of responsiveness we need. Take couplers, for instance: they're on their third generation, and with each step they've gotten better. The couplers, I believe, were the weakest link (no pun intended) with the original release.

As for its popularity, I think some modelers just instinctively gravitate toward new challenges, and T is certainly a challenge. Some have said that the size is a distinct advantage for modelers with severe space crunches.

And I agree T will likely never become a "switching" scale, as the phyisics involved are likely impossible to overcome--at least from a practical/affordable standpoint. That said... I have some ideas...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall reading your review and commenting about the original couplers. And, but I can not recall the 2nd generation couplers at all. How are the second and third generation differ?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shashinka wrote:
I recall reading your review and commenting about the original couplers. And, but I can not recall the 2nd generation couplers at all. How are the second and third generation differ?


First gen were Rapidos without springs (I call them "Floppy Rapidos"). Second were spring-loaded Rapidos--they issued sets of new couplers already assembled with springs. Not sure if they were different in any other way. And the third gen are hooks-and-loops, which require the springs from the second gen.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comparatively, how big are the Eishindo couplers to, say, a Micro-trains Z coupler?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all.

David said...
[quote] As for its popularity, I think some modelers just instinctively gravitate toward new challenges, and T is certainly a challenge. Some have said that the size is a distinct advantage for modelers with severe space crunches. [unquote]

It immediately'hit' me because I had thought Z Scale was the smallest system made commercially. I was fascinated later when I saw Z stuff and then more so when I saw the even smaller Zz gauge andthen blown away when I saw T gauge.

I am in fact a live steam Gauge 1 modeller with a garden railway, but I seem to have spent a lot of time with T gauge since I bought my first one from Hobby World. <g>. Like most, I am still at the collecting stage in T and waiting for new T items to appear, but I have a large 14 x 14 ft 'all weather' shed in the garden that the G1 runs through and I have ample space for a scale mile of T track. I'm excited with the idea that I can build a layout in T and I chuckle too every time I look at the power cars and coaches - they are so tiny.
I just couldn't resist buying some T especially at the prices they are, but what was just a curious modellertostart with has changed and I find I am getting serious about it now.
Best wishes to all of you.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanMacK wrote:
Comparatively, how big are the Eishindo couplers to, say, a Micro-trains Z coupler?


Here you go:


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: Re: Thoughts on a new scale Reply with quote

Frank C wrote:
I read your initial review of T equipment, and you seemed less than impressed with the performance. Has that changed? Handlaying track seems like a big effort for a poor performer.

Why does it generate interest? Too much ready to run, even in Z scale. Kind of like Daniel Boone felt about Kentucky, eventually. Got to civilized for him, so he went onward looking for another place where he could be a pioneer.

Thank you for the forum, and good luck frontiersman!!!

Frank


There's definitely the maverick quality to it.
For me personally there's learning just how far (small) do my modelling abilities go. I'm working on some T scale trees at the moment and their progress is giving me confidence (yes I'll post some pictures soon) to go on further.
I'm also interested to learn more about Japanese Railways, at the moment my knowledge goes as far as Skinkansen and thats it. Nothing else. I don't even know if I spelt it right...

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Size-wise, that's pretty close actually... Still would be too big though. It would probably be easier to figure out how to uncouple the Rapidos as opposed to the newer couplers.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanMacK wrote:
It would probably be easier to figure out how to uncouple the Rapidos as opposed to the newer couplers.


Actually, I don't think the Rapidos were meant to be uncoupled. For one thing, they don't have the pins on the bottom that N scale Rapidos have. The original Floppy Rapidos would not stay coupled--so one could think of them as the only ones to uncouple automatically... at random, unfortunately. The sprung Rapidos are so stiff that any attempt to move them mechanically would also move the entire car.

I think there may be a possibility to make magnetic couplers, but not in the Micro-Trains style. I'm thinking of simply placing a rare earth magnet at each end of the car, causing the cars to stay together through magnetic attraction, with some kind of simple buffer to keep them at the right distance. Uncoupling would be done by simply prying the cars apart, which might be accomplished by spotting the cars over a pair of vertical pins that rise up between the cars and spread apart. Difficult to describe--I may draw up some illustrations--after I run a test or two. Now, where did I put all of those micro rare earth magnets...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DanMacK wrote:
Size-wise, that's pretty close actually... Still would be too big though. It would probably be easier to figure out how to uncouple the Rapidos as opposed to the newer couplers.


The scale won't hit you till you receive your set and open the box. Wink

The MTL Z coupler is too tall and has too big of a coupler box to be able to mount on T-gauge equipment.

The version 2 couplers on my set are pretty useless. If the coupler twists at all, it will cause the dummy cars to lean, which will almost certainly pop them off the track within a lap. There isn't enough play to allow the cars to level themselves on the track. I haven't had a chance to try the loop and pin couplers yet, but hopefully there are better in this regard.

David- I'll be interested to see how the magnets work. If you can allow the cars to rotate along the coupler axis, so they can sit evenly on the rails, it should be a neat solution. Looking at your earlier sketch with the mounted magnet on a swing, that method would work for level track but might not work well enough for any grade changes.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skibbe wrote:
David- I'll be interested to see how the magnets work. If you can allow the cars to rotate along the coupler axis, so they can sit evenly on the rails, it should be a neat solution. Looking at your earlier sketch with the mounted magnet on a swing, that method would work for level track but might not work well enough for any grade changes.


Hey, I was wondering if you'd jump in here...

I've pretty much abandoned the idea I'd sketched out in the blog entry; it's much too complex and has some design problems that are not immediately evident. I'm thinking about a much simpler approach, which would not provide the electrical connections of the previous design, unfortunately.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It scares me is that sooner or later someone will try to 1-up T-scale and try to go smaller. Personally, I'm already terrified of trying to work with relacing T-scale couplers.
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