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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

victorian t gauge wrote:
Smile close Ian, & logical!!!! Wink but DERM is, diesel electric rail motor. although derms are equally at home runnig either way.



Actually, when I googled DERM "Double Ended Rail Motor was the first link I got...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

B 67 wrote:
I have seen one photo online of both yours and Zomer's layouts online already.

Click here.



Great.
I'm so jealous.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another won of my random questions, but: What does the other end of whatever DERM really stands for look like? (Yes, I spelled one wrong, but I don't like using backspace. Rolling Eyes )
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to hear that the show went well. It's seems like you guys down under have a more active T scene than we do. It's also good to here that Zomer is back playing with trains. I take that as a sign that his life must be getting back together.

trainspotter-usa wrote:
oztman wrote:

For the benefit of Young David, I don't know what a DERM is either Embarassed


DERM - Double Ended Rail Motor apparently

http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive%20power/derm.html

Ian


Diesel Engine Rail Motor - what we Americans call a doodlebug. In fact from the article I saw, the prototype was an American import.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gday All!!!!! Wooooow I have been sooooo busy!!! I have been trying for ages to upload pics to the blog but my new computer wont let me and the computers at work rejected my portable hard drive. Ill upload the pics to my fotopic site after I post this message. The show was a great success!!!
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It's also good to here that Zomer is back playing with trains. I take that as a sign that his life must be getting back together.
Certainly!! Im not taking it hard at all..... not enough to stop me from playing with my trains!!!

The crowd response was overwhelming. At times there were 3-4 rows of people in front of our stand. I talked about t gauge sooooo much over the weekend that I lost my voice on the last day and have only just got it back.

Here is a picture of us at our stand.

You can see Pauls collection of N scale at the front of the table. We had to watch the kids like hawks as little fingers do have a tendency to wander and N scale gets derailed or damaged!!!

Ill keep trying to fix my computer to be able to upload pics to the blog as we are now moving forward with Vic T Gauge at an amazing pace!!!

Ok here is a pic of the DERM Smile


Enjoy and I hope to get the Vic TGauge blog working but I might have to look at a website if the Victorian T Gauge brand hits the shelves. Will keep you all posted of course!!

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zomer wrote:


Here is a picture of us at our stand.

You can see Pauls collection of N scale at the front of the table.


Oh yeah! I didn't notice all that large scale stuff on the table in front of the T gauge. Wink

zomer wrote:
We had to watch the kids like hawks as little fingers do have a tendency to wander and N scale gets derailed or damaged!!!


I have to say this was one of the most surprising things for me. As you know, I had my T gauge layout sitting at child level on a glass counter. I was fully expecting wandering fingers to be all over the layout, prodding the trains, and my main concern was the figures and bicycles right near the front of the layout. Also the Mountain Train demo was (on the second and third day at least) situated diagonally above the layout. So I was a little concerned at how easy it would be for anyone to just pick it up and walk off with it. To be honest, it would've been very easy for anyone to have done this - despite the fact that my wife and I tried to keep an eye on it all the time. I saw a couple of girls touch the grass on one corner of the layout - but otherwise, no touching a all. And I don't even recall hearing the usual mantra from the parents of small children "don't touch anything". I hear that in my shop all the time. Result? My layout came back from Sandown after hundreds of children and adults had seen it over three days and not one item got broken, damaged or went missing. I have since noticed a loose vending machine, but I doubt that has anything to do with handling.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait, will KK be making a vending machine, or did you scratchbuild one? Confused Either one would be awesome Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

DJdeTrainman wrote:
Wait, will KK be making a vending machine, or did you scratchbuild one? Confused Either one would be awesome Exclamation

I think that the vending machine is in the roadside acessories pack.
thje pack contains
"Included in this set are 4 telephone poles, 1 traffic light, 1 road signpost, 2 regulatory signs,
4 guardrails, 1 curved mirror, 2 vending machines, 6 street lamps, 2 dust bins, 2 garbage(!) and 2 mailboxes"
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068993

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trainspotter-usa wrote:
DJdeTrainman wrote:
Wait, will KK be making a vending machine, or did you scratchbuild one? Confused Either one would be awesome Exclamation

I think that the vending machine is in the roadside acessories pack.
thje pack contains
"Included in this set are 4 telephone poles, 1 traffic light, 1 road signpost, 2 regulatory signs,
4 guardrails, 1 curved mirror, 2 vending machines, 6 street lamps, 2 dust bins, 2 garbage(!) and 2 mailboxes"
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10068993

Ian


Quite correct. The vending machines are part of the road accessories set. As I understand it, vending machines are common street furniture in Japan. Not just indoors or undercover. Certainly I've seen them standing in the open in Taiwan. I badly needed a drink on a hot, humid day there. Put my coins in and I heard a thud inside, but no drink. Took a lot of doing to finally extract my drink from the machine. Probably supposed to make me sweat so much I need a second drink. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmyers wrote:
Glad to hear that the show went well. It's seems like you guys down under have a more active T scene than we do. It's also good to here that Zomer is back playing with trains. I take that as a sign that his life must be getting back together.

trainspotter-usa wrote:
oztman wrote:

For the benefit of Young David, I don't know what a DERM is either Embarassed


DERM - Double Ended Rail Motor apparently

http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive%20power/derm.html

Ian


Diesel Engine Rail Motor - what we Americans call a doodlebug. In fact from the article I saw, the prototype was an American import.

Bob


Umm, yes. It is a Doodlebug. In fact I purchased an O scale Doodlebug with the intention of converting it to a DERM. The one I got was almost identical to the Australian one apart from minor details. But then I was offered the opportunity to have a brass model made ready to run in China. Along with 50 others to sell. Wink So I won't be needing the US one after all.

The VR did have a habit of importing locomotives from the UK and US, known as 'pattern engines' and then making copies (with permission) as this was cheaper than importing the whole lot. The DERM was similar with the first one being imported as parts, assembled in the VRs own workshops and then others built to the same design - well, with some minor changes.
It should be noted that the VR was quite capable of designing and building it's own locos as well, and often did.

In 1912, the VR imported a pair of the infamous McKeen motor cars. As with those in the US, these had a very short life (about 2 years) before being stripped of their engines and used as steam-hauled cars.



Yes, totally off-topic, but thought some may find this of interest. Wink
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